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Traveller-digest    Thursday, December 30 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1605<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Common Law<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
Re: Art and attraction<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
Re: Art and attraction<BR>
re:  Santanocheev, the man...<BR>
Re: Santanocheev, the man...<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Free Trader plans<BR>
Re: Hiding education :was Geographical idiocy<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell <BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: re graphics<BR>
Re: Vs: Vilani Elvis<BR>
Re: Gunnery<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:08:06 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> At 13:09 -0500 25/12/99, "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com> wrote:<BR>
>>Good point Leonard, but by the time I even knew what OS/2 was or could<BR>
>>afford to buy an operating system, it was already dead and buried.<BR>
><BR>
> Calling it OS/2 'Warp' made me laugh. Compared to Win3.1x it was slow <BR>
> and memory heavy.<BR>
<BR>
Seems to work ok here. And unlike Win 3.1, when a Windows app crashed,<BR>
I could just close that window and open another one. Not even the<BR>
Current* version of Windows can do that (I know, I've had to restart 5<BR>
times just today when apps hit things like "illegal opcode") <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:28:17 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Common Law<BR>
<BR>
I have missed most of the conversation on this thread (I lost<BR>
most of my mail the last couple of days), so if I recover some<BR>
of the same stuff that has been covered, my apologies in<BR>
advance.<BR>
<BR>
Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> >From: "Lyle Youngblood" <lyley@gte.net><BR>
><BR>
> This is likely to get completely off-topic.<BR>
<BR>
No lie buanna!<BR>
<BR>
> >    Actually, Jason, you're off the mark on the<BR>
> >Common Law statement as well.  The Federal government<BR>
> >and the majority of the individual states (there are<BR>
> >some exceptions, New York I believe is one) are<BR>
> >governed solely by statutory law.  Common Law has NO<BR>
> >standing in US, or most state, courts.<BR>
><BR>
> Sorry, your last sentence is just plain wrong.  The<BR>
> common law is alive and well in the various states,<BR>
> although some have more a more complete statutory<BR>
> scheme than others (like California, where I<BR>
> practice).  Louisiana alone among the states does not<BR>
> have a common law tradition.  There is even a body of<BR>
> federal common law, although it is quite small in<BR>
> scope compared to that of the states.<BR>
<BR>
Most people don't know that California Code was actually<BR>
based upon the Common Law.  The very first "California<BR>
Code", the _California Codes of 1872_ is the largest and<BR>
most comprehensive codification of the Common Law ever<BR>
done.  It is also still binding law in the state of California.<BR>
While finding it in print is somewhat difficult, it is available<BR>
on diskette.  If anyone would like a copy contact me<BR>
<cybernaut@netzero.net> off-list.<BR>
<BR>
> >Locally, we just went 'round and 'round on this one a<BR>
> >bit back with the local fundies who tried to overturn<BR>
> >a local ordinance prohibiting discrimination based on<BR>
> >sexual preference because sodomy was against the<BR>
> >Common Law, despite the fact that Indiana is a<BR>
> >statutory law state and our last anti-sodomy law was<BR>
> >struck down by the State Supreme Court as un-<BR>
> >constitutional and never replaced 20+ years ago.<BR>
><BR>
> In every state, statutes govern the criminal law, for<BR>
> obvious due process reasons.  The laws governing<BR>
> torts, contracts, and conflict of laws are typically<BR>
> left to common law processes.<BR>
<BR>
I take it that Glen is an attorney at law.  One of the problems<BR>
that he faces is that he was trained in a "modern" law school.<BR>
I mean NO disrepect to Glen, it is not his fault that most law<BR>
schools no longer cover Common Law properly.  I understand<BR>
that many law schools no longer even offer a constitution law<BR>
class.<BR>
<BR>
> >    ObTrav: The difference between statutory law and<BR>
><BR>
> The law of the system you're travelling to is<BR>
> something to consider.<BR>
<BR>
Believe it or not, the very topic of this thread can make for<BR>
some excellent (and educational) adventures for your favorite<BR>
PCs.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jason<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:48:25 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
> >Basically, even if it was legal to attempt such a thing,  it would be<BR>
> >impossible to prove, seeing as programs exist that let you edit the<BR>
strings<BR>
> >in a GIF such as the one that states which editor created it.<BR>
> >I often change this to read something like Unisys Sucks! just for the<BR>
hell<BR>
> >of it whenever I need to use GIF.<BR>
><BR>
> Really?<BR>
> Sounds interesting. Where can you get these from?<BR>
<BR>
Seeing as it's such a small file (30Kb)  I've emailed an example DOS program<BR>
directly to Nick,<BR>
If anyone else would like to see it, mail me off list and I'll forward it to<BR>
you<BR>
<BR>
Actually examining a few GIF's I fond most of the ones's I've got don't have<BR>
any identification such as this anyway.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:46:34 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
Frank Pitt <frankie@mundens.gen.nz> wrote:<BR>
> OK Leonard,. seeing as I _teach_ OO analysis, design, and programming, as<BR>
> well as several languages, (Jade, Java, C++, Visual Basic)  UML, & CORBA,<BR>
> that sounds like a challenge !<BR>
><BR>
> If you want to converse off list, I may be able to help you.<BR>
> Jory, let me know if you wanna be CC'd (as long as Leonard doesn't mind )<BR>
<BR>
I would also like to be CC'd.  Maybe I can learn something.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jason<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:03:13 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:<BR>
> On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Robert Prior wrote:<BR>
> > >Does that really surprise you?  If the mere idea of cloning raises<BR>
> > >world-wide reaction, imagine the storm over attempts to create<BR>
> > >"monkey man!"  Okay, *I* know that's a misnomer, but I can see the<BR>
> > >screaming headlines now.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Actually, yes I am surprised. I can see not publishing the results,<BR>
though,<BR>
> > so I suppose it might have been done and we just haven't heard about it.<BR>
><BR>
> A biomedical researcher doing experiments (with what money, pray tell) and<BR>
> then *not* publishing all about it?  Hahahahahahahahaha!<BR>
<BR>
I can outline a scenario for how the experiment could be<BR>
carried out with virtually no cost.  Mr. Scholar, curious as to<BR>
the possibilities determines to do the experiment.  In his job<BR>
he has access to female chimps for other experimentation<BR>
(could be anything from psychological to pharmaceutical) and<BR>
can determine when one of them is in eusterous (sp.?) and<BR>
artificially inseminate her using his own seed.  All he has to<BR>
do is make sure that she has no contact with her own kind.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jason<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:08:53 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
<eris@pcola.gulf.net> wrote:<BR>
> MT/CT had 13.5 m3 = 1 dton.  So, 2 of the 1.5 x 1.5 x 3 m squares<BR>
> was 1 dton. Each square = 1/2 dton.<BR>
><BR>
> TNE used 14 m3 = 1 dton.  It used 1 x 1 x 3.5 m squares and it took<BR>
> 4 to make a dton. Each square = 1/4 dton.<BR>
<BR>
In CT, 1 std = 14 m^3 = 2 1.5 x 1.5 squares.<BR>
- --<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:16:25 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Art and attraction<BR>
<BR>
>And we could get over pretending that we are all Vulcans who<BR>
> choose our mates by logic.<BR>
<BR>
I _did_ choose my mate logically .<BR>
<BR>
I couldn't live without her, so the logical thing to do was to live with her<BR>
!<BR>
<grin><BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:19:51 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
<BR>
> > >Can we have some ethnically diverse GUYS in sexy outfits please?<BR>
> > <snippage> I'll go for the sexy skintight leotard, ........<BR>
><BR>
> When I first read this, I thought it said "sexy skintight leonard".  Which<BR>
> puzzled me too much to allow the slightest hint of intranasal compression.<BR>
><BR>
> > Shuddering Thought:   Norris in a sexy skintight leotard.<BR>
><BR>
> And the ducal feather boa, let's not forget!<BR>
<BR>
Never understood why you'd want a feather boa, I prefer the scaly ones<BR>
myself<BR>
<BR>
It's the cod-piece that really makes the outfit though.<BR>
<BR>
Now if we tie this in with the scarlet fish thread....<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:17:18 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
Anthony Merlock <amerlock@execpc.com> wrote:<BR>
> Titan Games (http://www.titangames.com) has the Judges' Guild deckplans<BR>
for<BR>
> $6 in their "Special Sales Items" catalog (direct URL<BR>
> http://www.titangames.com/titansite/rpg_items/Sale.html)<BR>
><BR>
> If you haven't dealt with Titan Games, they're a great company; just a tad<BR>
> bit slow sometimes (it can take a week before they respond to your order).<BR>
><BR>
> These were the first deckplans I found for Traveller, and I still love<BR>
them.<BR>
<BR>
If you send them your email address, they will confirm your<BR>
order as soon as it arrives and let you know when they mail<BR>
it out.<BR>
- --<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:37:40 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Art and attraction<BR>
<BR>
Frank Pitt wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >And we could get over pretending that we are all Vulcans who<BR>
> > choose our mates by logic.<BR>
> <BR>
> I _did_ choose my mate logically .<BR>
> <BR>
> I couldn't live without her, so the logical thing to do was to live with her<BR>
> !<BR>
> <grin><BR>
<BR>
How fortunate for you, sir, that you [staying with the Vulcan motif]<BR>
found an Amanda, rather than a T'Pring.<BR>
<BR>
OTOH, I don't have the Dependent NPC Disadvantage....<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:55:27 +1000<BR>
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au><BR>
Subject: re:  Santanocheev, the man...<BR>
<BR>
> From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
> >Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
> >Who were Santanocheev's "political and social<BR>
> >connections"? the persons who had promoted him to<BR>
> >Sector Admiral <BR>
> <BR>
> I've assumed that he was well connected to the court<BR>
> of the Matriarch of Mora.  Mora is the sector capital,<BR>
> so the Matriarch (who also holds the Imperial title<BR>
> Duchess of Mora) wields a lot of power in the sector.<BR>
<BR>
I've always assumed some kind of tie to the Tukera clan.  But Delphine is<BR>
good, too.<BR>
 <BR>
> Santanocheev retired.  <BR>
.....<BR>
> He might have just gotten old and decided<BR>
> that he didn't want to run any more wars, but would<BR>
> rather tend his garden and enjoy his wife and<BR>
> grandchildren.<BR>
<BR>
Which raises the question of his children....<BR>
<BR>
> Post-war Santanocheev might be an interesting factor<BR>
> in a game.  The obvious possibilities are:<BR>
> <BR>
> 1) Santanocheev seeks revenge on Norris for Norris'<BR>
> exposing him as the incompetent he truly is.  The PCs<BR>
> might be hired by Santanocheev to discredit Norris in<BR>
> some way, or by Norris to protect him from<BR>
> Santanocheev.<BR>
<BR>
This is one I've often considered.  The other alternative is that it's not<BR>
Santanocheev himself that is doing it, but one of his kids, or other<BR>
family.<BR>
<BR>
> 2) "When you get tired of checking your porridge for<BR>
> broken glass, you are tired of being a sector duke." <BR>
<BR>
Sigh.  Close, but no splort.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, IMTU I've hypothesised that Santanocheev has a son, Captain<BR>
Roderick "Roddy" Santanocheev.  He's a good officer, whose career,<BR>
unfortunately has been heavily influenced by politics.  At first, his<BR>
father's influence worked in his favour, but later his father's downfall<BR>
damaged his career.  He's a little bit ticked off by this, and just might<BR>
do something silly if he thought he could get back at Norris.<BR>
<BR>
As an example of the kind of damage that could have occurred to his career,<BR>
he could have been assigned to command a Kinunir class ship....<BR>
<BR>
Alan Bradley<BR>
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au<BR>
<BR>
ps:  My ISP's mail server has been playing up over the last few days.  I've<BR>
got twenty unread TML digests sitting on my machine.  The horror!  The<BR>
horror!<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:27:59 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Santanocheev, the man...<BR>
<BR>
Alan Bradley wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
> > >Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
> > >Who were Santanocheev's "political and social<BR>
> > >connections"? the persons who had promoted him to<BR>
> > >Sector Admiral<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I've assumed that he was well connected to the court<BR>
> > of the Matriarch of Mora.  Mora is the sector capital,<BR>
> > so the Matriarch (who also holds the Imperial title<BR>
> > Duchess of Mora) wields a lot of power in the sector.<BR>
> <BR>
> I've always assumed some kind of tie to the Tukera clan.  But Delphine is<BR>
> good, too.<BR>
> <BR>
> > Santanocheev retired.<BR>
> .....<BR>
> > He might have just gotten old and decided<BR>
> > that he didn't want to run any more wars, but would<BR>
> > rather tend his garden and enjoy his wife and<BR>
> > grandchildren.<BR>
> <BR>
> Which raises the question of his children....<BR>
> <BR>
> > Post-war Santanocheev might be an interesting factor<BR>
> > in a game.  The obvious possibilities are:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > 1) Santanocheev seeks revenge on Norris for Norris'<BR>
> > exposing him as the incompetent he truly is.  The PCs<BR>
> > might be hired by Santanocheev to discredit Norris in<BR>
> > some way, or by Norris to protect him from<BR>
> > Santanocheev.<BR>
> <BR>
> This is one I've often considered.  The other alternative is that it's not<BR>
> Santanocheev himself that is doing it, but one of his kids, or other<BR>
> family.<BR>
> <BR>
> > 2) "When you get tired of checking your porridge for<BR>
> > broken glass, you are tired of being a sector duke."<BR>
> <BR>
> Sigh.  Close, but no splort.<BR>
> <BR>
> Anyway, IMTU I've hypo</HTML>
